BTU #10 - David Lee: Marines to Stanford Business School

“In terms of the highest tangible ROI, an MBA is hard to beat as a veteran, especially for someone like me coming from a non-technical background." – David Lee

David Lee will be attending the Stanford Graduate School of Business next September after over six years of service in the US Marine Corps. He has served as the Director of MBA and Other Graduate Programs at Service 2 School, a free resource to help veterans get into their dream education program. As a result, he has's got a wealth of knowledge for veterans considering going to school once they get out of the military. A NROTC graduate of the University of Michigan, David was academically #1 of 600 at the Officer Candidate School.

In this conversation, we cover a lot of topics, including:

  • His decision to leave the Marine Corps
  • Analyzing grad school problems, their fit, and potential return
  • How Service 2 School provided free help in his application process
  • Surprises in the grad school admission process
  • Advice to those considering applying to schools once they leave the military
  • And much, much more…

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Show Notes

  • [1:50] Background
  • [3:00] Making the decision to leave the military
  • [4:30] Researching potential options
  • [5:50] Choosing to remain in the Reserves
  • [6:30] Choosing graduate school as a means to shortcut impact
  • [8:30] Service 2 School and how they can help with college & grad school admission
  • [9:54] Surprising in the MBA application process
  • [11:10] Choosing schools for application...and which to accept
  • [11:50] Advice on the application process
  • [13:45] A timeline for applying to business schools
  • [15:00] Resources for GMAT preparation
  • [15:35] Life while applying to grad school
  • [16:30] Extracurricular activities while on active duty
  • [17:45] What he's learned from working at Service 2 School
  • [19:15] Common veteran questions and misconceptions about grad school
  • [22:45] Final words of advice

 

 

BTU #9 - Will Grannis: Boeing, Google, Startups and More

“Asking for help sometimes for some people implies weakness. If there's one thing I did that was semi-smart it was realizing that I wasn't going to be able to do it on my own and asking for help from those who were closest to me and had the most vested interest in my success." – Will Grannis

Will Grannis is the Managing Director of the Cloud CTO Office at Google. Since his time as an officer in the Army, he's had an incredible career prior to Google, including: Founding a company that was acquired after just two years; serving as the Chief Technology Officer for L-3 Communications, a company with over 38,000 employees worldwide; leading Boeing's Advanced Information Solutions team.

In this conversation, we cover a lot of topics, including:

  • His decision to leave the Army.
  • How he leveraged his closest relationships to land his first civilian job
  • How the Army most prepared him for his first job, and where he had to catch up to his peers
  • How overhearing a conversation in an adjacent cubicle changed his career
  • The advantages of working in a small office environment
  • How valuable industry experience is prior to pursuing an advanced degree
  • What it's like to work through the first part of a week, hop on a plane and attend grad school, fly back home and start the whole cycle over again
  • And much, much more…

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Show Notes

  • [1:45] Background info
  • [3:04] Approaching the decision to leave the Army
  • [5:40] Active duty to IRR... and then to the Reserves
  • [7:51] The Telecom industry and a role as Program Manager
  • [10:19] How Will approached his job start when he first left the Army
  • [14:38] Day-to-day life in Will's first civilian job in the Telecom Industry, and why small companies are so valuable for veterans
  • [20:58] How the Army was a competitive advantage for Will... and where he had to catch up
  • [22:52] The biggest surprise Will faced when he transitioned to civilian life
  • [25:35] Making the transition to Boeing after one year as a civilian
  • [32:31] Pursuing an MBA at Wharton while working at Boeing
  • [36:15] How to consider grad school or straight to industry and what degree to pursue
  • [38:48] Final advice to anyone on Active Duty

 

 

BTU #8 - Tim Hsia: Boost Your Acceptance Rate to College & Grad School

BTU #8 - Tim Hsia: Boost Your Acceptance Rate to College & Grad School

Of every interview I've done so far, this it the one I would most recommend to every single military veteran - enlisted and officer.Tim Hsia received his JD and MBA from Stanford after serving as a Captain in the US Army. While at Stanford, Tim co-founded two companies; one sold to the Stanford Daily, and the second is still in operation. This organization - Service 2 School - is a free resource for all veterans to help them get into the best school (college or grad school) for them.

BTU #7 - Shaunnah Sopko: Project & Program Management

“You can do an internship - not just through grad school - as a way to dip your toe in the water to see how you like that type of role and company. It’s a great way to give yourself that reflection time period if you’r not going to go to a grad school program." – Shaunnah Sopko

Shaunnah Sopko is a Product Quality Program Manager at Nest. She holds an MBA from the Stanford Graduate School of Business, an MS in Systems Engineering from the Naval Postgraduate School, and a BS in Systems Engineering from the US Naval Academy. Shaunnah served six years as an officer in the Surface Warfare community, where she served on the USS Shoup (DDG 86), Destroyer Squadron 9, and as the Flag Aide to the Superintendent of the US Naval Academy.

In this conversation, we cover a lot of topics, including:

  • Her decision to leave the Navy
  • Joining the Reserves through grad school and at work
  • Advice for Business School appliations
  • How the military prepared her for graduate school…and where she had to catch up
  • Overview of Product & Program Management
  • Advice for Active Duty military personnel who want to pursue a career in Product & Program Management
  • Recommended resources to prepare for your transition
  • And much, much more…

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Show Notes

  • [1:20] Background
  • [3:15] - Weighing options on leaving the Navy
  • [5:50] - Joining the Reserves through grad school and at work
  • [7:15] - How Shaunnah’s company accommodated her Reserves time[10:10] - Pursuing a second master’s degree
  • [11:24]  - Advice for Business School appliations
  • [14:35] - How the military prepared her for graduate school…and where she had to catch up
  • [18:07] - Overview of Product & Program Management
  • [21:15] - Advice for Active Duty military personnel who want to pursue a career in Product & Program Management
  • [24:52] - Interning at Apple
  • [28:08] - Choosing Nest
  • [29:38] - Advice for preparing for an interview
  • [32:07] - Day-to-Day life as a Program Manager
  • [40:33] - How the military prepared her for Program Management…and where she had to catch up
  • [42:35] - Recommended resources to prepare for your transition
  • [46:45] - Final advice for transition

BTU #6 - Jimmy Sopko: Active Duty to Pinterest & High Tech

“Be open to the fact that you don't know what you don't know. Be willing to reach out and ask people what they do, what they like and don't like...be open to just learning and figuring out what's important to you and try to find a company that's right for you." – Jimmy Sopko

Jimmy Sopko is a Manager of Growth Sales at Pinterest. Jimmy got his start at Pinterest by rolling up his sleeves and taking a job at Pinterest as part of their Community Operations team. While this was a step back in terms of pay and seniority, it got his foot in the door and he was able to quickly work his way up within Pinterest... a company that has already tripled in growth since he joined. Jimmy is a graduate of the US Naval Academy, and former Surface Warfare Officer. He's also an avid rower, having earned a Silver Medal in the 2009 World Rowing Championships.

In this conversation, we cover a lot of topics, including:

  • The three approaches Jimmy took to get his first job (Recruiters, Networking, Mentors)
  • The importance of choosing a lifestyle NOT a specific role at a company
  • How he narrowed his job search down to the Technology industry and Pinterest
  • What it's like to join an internet rocket ship... at the very bottom
  • Why he thinks it may be better to skip grad school and going straight to industry
  • The difference between military leadership and Tech leadership
  • How customer-facing roles maximize your learning inside a company
  • And much, much more…

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Show Notes

  • [1:30] Background
  • [2:40] Transition from the Navy to US Rowing Team and searching for a new career
  • [4:10] Three approaches to getting his first job (Recruiters, Networking, Mentors)
  • [6:38] Approaching the decision to leave the military
  • [8:40] Choosing to not join the Reserves
  • [10:55] The importance of choosing a lifestyle NOT a specific role
  • [11:55] Deciding to leave the US Rowing Team and enter industry
  • [12:53] Exploring career possibilities while rowing
  • [14:10] Narrowing a job search down to the Technology industry and Pinterest
  •  [16:30] Joining a rocket ship... at the very bottom
  • [17:57] Advice for skipping grad school and going straight to industry
  • [23:40] The difference between military leadership and Tech leadership
  • [26:50] How customer-facing roles maximize your learning inside a company
  • [27:52] Day-to-day life of a Community Operations / Customer Support roles
  • [30:00] Managing in an organization (vs. in the military)
  • [32:05] Day-to-day life in Growth Sales capacity
  • [36:50] Advice to those currently on Active Duty

 

BTU #5 - Bobby Farina: Financial Services and Finding the Right Path for You

“There is an insatiable appetite [at top tier business schools]... at these schools for people who have real leadership backgrounds, and they view the military as an incubator for that." – Bobby Farina

Bobby Farina is a Partner at Sixpoint Ventures, after having spent over 10 years in the Financial Services industry. Bobby attended the US Air Force Academy, where he studied Management, prior to entering the intelligence community as an Information Security Specialist. Although he obtained his MS in in Information Security at Johns Hopkins University while on Active Duty, he chose to attend Columbia Business School after he separated from the Air Force.

In this conversation, we cover a lot of topics, including:

  • His decision to leave the Air Force, and how he thought about the Reserves
  • Using grad school while in the military to offset a low GPA from undergrad and boost grad school admission chances
  • Considering the opportunity cost of pursuing a master's degree vs. entering industry right away
  • Recommendations for schools focusing on finance and advice on how to get in
  • A breakdown of the Financial Services industry and where veterans fit in
  • How to get your first job in Financial Services
  • What you may end up missing from the military
  • And much, much more…

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Scroll below for links and show notes…

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Show Notes

  • [0:22] - Personal, USAFA and Air Force background
  • [6:54] - Decision to leave the Air Force
  • [9:54] - Considering Air Force Reserves
  • [12:12] - Air Force Reserves while in Financial Services
  • [13:04] - Doing grad school while on active duty
  • [16:50] - using post college work to boost your GPA if you have a lower college GPA
  • [19:42] - deciding on a second master's degree and an MBA
  • [21:00] - Choosing Columbia as business school and application process
  • [21:53] - Recommendations for Top Tier Business Schools focusing on Finance
  • [23:40] - Balancing Applications to business school & general advice
  • [26:25] - Finding the right school for you
  • [28:30] - Getting the most out of grad school but knowing your intended industry
  • [31:00] - Overview of the Financial Services Industry
  • [35:45] - Why Financial Services companies love veterans
  • [37:45] - What traits they most prize in veteran applicants
  • [41:10] - Advice for someone who wants to enter Financial Services industry
  • [44:05] - Biggest surprise in transitioning to civilian world

Army vs. Air Force vs. Navy: How Branch of Military Services Affects One's Career

  Overview: This article looks at the Industries, Functional Roles, and Company Sizes pursued by veterans of the Army, Air Force, and Navy. It also compares these three branches of the military to each other to see how their career choices differ. My intention for this article is to highlight the wide array of civilian career possibilities for military veterans, and provide a starting point for further career research. additional background information on my motivation for this analysis can be found here.

Methodology: A full summary of the basis for this article can be found here. The most important thing to note is that this is based on LinkedIn data for Service Academy veterans only. I have used Service Academy veterans as a proxy for all Army / Air Force / Navy officers, as it was the most reliable way to sort through the LinkedIn data available. While there are obvious limitations to this approach, my intention is for this to be a starting point for further research.

You can view the complete interactive data visualizations here.

U.S. Army [data visualization here]:

Industries [data visualization here]:

The top twelve industry categories for Army officers is as follows:

  1. Government & Law (18%): Although the top industry for Army officers, they are the least likely of the Armed Services to end up here, a full 25% less likely than Air Force, and 7% less likely than Navy officers.
  2. Technology (17%)
  3. Business (11%): most likely of all officers to enter into Business. They are 41% more likely than Air Force and 13% more likely than Navy officers.
  4. Financial Services (11%): most likely of all officers to enter into Financial Services. They are 73% more likely than Air Force and 19% more likely than Navy officers.
  5. Health Services (7%): most likely of all officers to enter into Health Services. They are 39% more likely than Navy and 15% more likely than Air Force officers.
  6. Real Estate & Construction (7%): most likely of all officers to end up here, as they are 26% more likely than Air Force and 21% more likely than Navy officers.
  7. Other (6%)
  8. Education & Research (6%): most likely of all officers to end up here, with Army officers 26% more likely than Air Force and 21% more likely than Navy officers.
  9. Arts (4%): least likely of all officers to end up here, as they are 3% less likely than both Air Force and Navy officers.
  10. Consumer Packaged Goods (4%): most likely member of the Armed Services to end up in CPG. They are 66% more likely than Air Force and 27% more likely than Navy officers to end up here.
  11. Manufacturing (4%): most likely member of the Armed Services to end up in Manufacturing. They are 57% more likely than Air Force and 23% more likely than Navy to end up here.
  12. Transportation (4%): least likely of all officers to enter Transportation. They are 77% less likely than Air Force and 56% less likely than Navy officers.

Functional Roles [data visualization here]:

The top 10 Functional Roles for Army officers is as follows:

  1. Operations (21%): Although this is the most common Functional Role for Army officers, compared to other branches of the military, Army is the least likely to pursue a functional role in Operations. They are 31% less likely than Air Force and 7% less likely than Navy officers.
  2. Sales (12%): most likely of all branches of the military to pursue a role in Sales; 63% more likely than Air Force and 21% more likely than Navy officers.
  3. Entrepreneurship (11%): most likely of all branches of the military to pursue a role in Entrepreneurship; 15% more likely than Air Force and 5% more likely than Navy officers.
  4. Program & Project Management (10%): most likely of all branches of the military to pursue a role here; 26% more likely than Air Force and 2% more likely than Navy officers.
  5. Engineering (10%): least likely of all members of the Armed Forces to pursue a role in Engineering; 15% less likely than Navy and 2% less likely than Air Force officers.
  6. Finance (8%): most likely of all members of the Armed Forces to pursue a role in Finance; 61% more likely than Air Force and 13% than Navy officers.
  7. Consulting (8%): most likely of all members of the Armed Forces to pursue a role in Consulting; 41% more likely than Air Force and 10% more likely than Navy officers.
  8. Education (7%): least likely of all members of the Armed Forces to pursue a role in Education; 17% less likely than Air Force and 1% less likely than Navy officers.
  9. Information Technology (7%): least likely of all military officers to pursue a role in IT; 9% less likely than Air Force and 7% less likely than Navy officers.
  10. Military & Protective Services (6%): least likely of all military officers to pursue a role here; 22% less likely than Air Force and 5% less likely than Navy officers.

Company Size [data visualization here]:

Army officers are most likely to join a company that has:

  1. 10,000+ Employees (37%): Although Army officers are most likely to end up in a massive organization, they are the least likely of all officers to end up here; 22% less likely than Air Force and 2% less likely than Navy officers.
  2. 1,001 to 5,000 Employees (14%)
  3. 51 to 200 Employees (10%)
  4. 11 to 50 Employees (10%)
  5. 201 to 500 Employees (8%): most likely of all military officers to end up at a company of this size; 15% more likely than Air Force and 5% more likely than Navy officers.
  6. 1 to 10 Employees (8%): most likely of all military officers to end up at a company of this size; 19% more likely than Air Force and 8% more likely than Navy officers.
  7. 5,001 to 10,000 Employees (7%): most likely of all military officers to end up at a company of this size; 24% more likely than Air Force and 5% more likely than Navy officers.
  8. 501 to 1,000 Employees (6%): most likely of all military officers to end up at a company of this size; 32% more likely than Air Force and 16% more likely than Navy officers.
  9. Self-Employed (1%)

U.S. Air Force [data visualizations here]:

Industries [data visualization here]:

The top twelve industry categories for Air Force officers is as follows:

  1. Government & Law (25%): most likely of all officers to pursue a career in Government & Law. This is driven mostly by the subcategory of Defense & Space, where Air Force veterans are 118% more likely than Army and 64% more likely than Navy officers to pursue a career. Overall when it comes to Government & Law, Air Force officers are 33% more likely than Army and 25% more likely than Navy officers to pursue a career here.
  2. Transportation (16%): most likely of all officers to pursue a career in Transportation. This is driven mostly by two subcategories dominated by the Air Force: (1) Aviation & Aerospace, where Air Force officers are 244% more likely than Army and 72% more likely than Navy officers to pursue a career; and (2) Airlines/Aviation where Air Force officers are 1,082% more likely than Army and 152% more likely than Navy officers to pursue a career. Overall, when it comes to the Transportation industry, Air Force officers are 341% more likely than Army and 92% more likely than Navy officers to pursue a career here.
  3. Technology (15%): although this is the third highest rated Industry for Air Force officers, they are the least likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 12% less likely than Navy and 11% less likely than Army officers.
  4. Business (8%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 29% less likely than Army and 20% less likely than Navy officers.
  5. Health Service (6%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 21% less likely than Navy and 13% less likely than Army officers.
  6. Financial Services (6%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 42% less likely than Army and 31% less likely than Navy officers.
  7. Real Estate & Construction (6%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 21% less likely than Army and 4% less likely than Navy officers.
  8. Education & Research (5%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 21% less likely than Navy and 18% less likely than Army officers.
  9. Arts (4%)
  10. Other (4%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 50% less likely than Navy and 37% less likely than Army officers.
  11. Manufacturing (3%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 36% less likely than Army and 22% less likely than Navy officers.
  12. Consumer Packaged Goods (2%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 40% less likely than Army and 24% less likely than Navy officers.

Functional Roles [data visualization here]:

The top 10 Functional Roles for Army officers is as follows:

  1. Operations (30%): most likely of all officers to pursue this Functional Role; 44% more likely than Army and 33% more likely than Navy officers.
  2. Engineering (10%)
  3. Entrepreneurship (9%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Functional Role; 13% less likely than Army and 9% less likely than Navy officers.
  4. Education (9%): most likely of all officers to pursue this Functional Role; 20% more likely than Army and 19% more likely than Navy officers.
  5. Program & Project Management (8%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Functional Role; 21% less likely than Army and 19% less likely than Navy officers.
  6. Military & Projective Services (8%): most likely of all officers to pursue this Functional Role; 28% more likely than Army and 22% more likely than Navy officers.
  7. Information Technology (8%): most likely of all officers to pursue this Functional Role; 10% more likely than Army and 2% more likely than Navy officers.
  8. Sales (7%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Functional Role; 39% less likely than Army and 25% less likely than Navy officers.
  9. Consulting (6%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Functional Role; 29% less likely than Army and 22% less likely than Navy officers.
  10. Finance (5%): least likely of all officers to pursue this Functional Role; 38% less likely than Army and 30% less likely than Navy officers.

Company Size [data visualization here]:

Air Force officers are most likely to join a company that has:

  1. 10,000+ Employees (47%): most likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 28% more likely than Army and 22% more likely than Navy officers.
  2. 1,001 to 5,000 Employees (12%): least likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 20% less likely than Navy and 17% less likely than Army officers.
  3. 51 to 200 Employees (9%): least likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 17% less likely than Navy and 14% less likely than Army officers.
  4. 11 to 50 Employees (8%): least likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 16% less likely than Navy and 15% less likely than Army officers.
  5. 201 to 500 Employees (7%): least likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 13% less likely than Army and 9% less likely than Navy officers.
  6. 1 to 10 Employees (6%): least likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 16% less likely than Army and 10% less likely than Navy officers.
  7. 5,001 to 10,000 Employees (5%): least likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 19% less likely than Army and 15% less likely than Navy officers.
  8. 501 to 1,000 Employees (5%): least likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 24% less likely than Army and 13% less likely than Navy officers.
  9. Self-Employed (1%): least likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 14% less likely than Navy and 0.03% less likely than Army officers.

U.S. Navy [data visualization here]:

Industries [data visualization here]:

The top twelve industry categories for Navy officers is as follows:

  1. Government & Law (20%)
  2. Technology (17%): most likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 29% more likely than Army and 20% more likely than Navy officers.
  3. Business (10%)
  4. Financial Services (9%)
  5. Transportation (8%)
  6. Other (8%): most likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 99% more likely than Air Force and 25% more likely than Army officers.
  7. Education & Research (6%): most likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 26% more likely than Air Force and 3% more likely than Army officers.
  8. Real Estate & Construction (6%)
  9. Health Services (5%)
  10. Manufacturing (3%)
  11. Consumer Packaged Goods (3%)
  12. Arts (4%): most likely of all officers to pursue this Industry; 3% more likely than Air Force and 0.1% more likely than Army officers.

Functional Roles [data visualization here]:

The top 10 Functional Roles for Navy officers is as follows:

  1. Operations (23%)
  2. Engineering (11%): most likely of all officers to pursue this Functional Role; 18% more likely than Army and 15% more likely than Air Force officers.
  3. Program & Project Management (10%)
  4. Entrepreneurship (10%)
  5. Sales (10%)
  6. Information Technology (8%)
  7. Education (7%)
  8. Finance (7%)
  9. Consulting (7%)
  10. Military & Protective Services (7%)

Company Size [data visualization here]:

Navy officers are most likely to join a company that has:

  1. 10,000+ Employees (38%)
  2. 1,001 to 5,000 Employees (14%): most likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 25% more likely than Air Force and 3% more likely than Army officers.
  3. 51 to 200 Employees (10%): most likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 20% more likely than Air Force and 3% more likely than Army officers.
  4. 11 to 50 Employees (10%): most likely of all officers to join a company of this size; 19% more likely than Air Force and 2% more likely than Army officers.
  5. 201 to 500 Employees (8%)
  6. 1 to 10 Employees (7%)
  7. 5,001 to 10,000 Employees (6%)
  8. 501 to 1,000 Employees (5%)
  9. Self-Employed (1%): most likely of all officers to be self-employed; 16% more likely than both Army and Air Force officers.

Methodology for "Army vs. Air Force vs. Navy: How Branch of Military Services Affects One's Career"

The "Army vs. Air Force vs. Navy" data visualization base all analysis on graduates from service academies. The reason for this is that LinkedIn, through their "school" search criteria makes it possible to gather data for service academy graduates, but there is no other direct way to gather data for all military officers. I want to continue this research for the enlisted community, but felt that the data would be different enough that it was important to separate the data first. The final result of this initial data can be viewed here.

I grouped the data around several key areas related to a post-military career.

  1. Industry: I looked at all 147 LinkedIn classified Industries, except for "Military." This was the easiest way to look at Army, Navy and Air Froce Officers on LinkedIn who are no longer on Active Duty. The 147 categories did not provide as much insight, so I created my own subset of categories in order to extract higher-level takeaways. I was unable to find any official guidance on the best way to create these subgroups, but provide an overview of my grouping here.
  2. Function: Fortunately, LinkedIn only provides 12 different categories for Functional Roles. However, LinkedIn only shows the top 10 industries, so this is what I have shown in the data visualization.
  3. Size of Company: This was the simplest to obtain, as LinkedIn only provides 9 categories for Company Size, and provides this data consistently for all service branches. As a result, the data here will be the most accurate to actual LinkedIn data.

In order to display the data, I used the New York Time's D3 model. Special thanks to Nemil Dalal, who put together the majority of this data, and helped me as I put together the small remainder he did not complete. I also used Upwork in a few locations to help me edit this models and add them to my Wordpress website template.

All feedback and suggestions are welcome here.

BTU #4 - Brad Bonney - Business School, Confidence, and a Startup Rollercoaster

“What I didn't know [when I was first getting out of the Navy] was how prepared and equipped veterans are as they're transitioning for an unbelievable number of roles within corporate america.”

– Brad Bonney

Brad Bonney grew up in Kansas City and in 8th Grade decided to attend the Naval Academy. He graduated from USNA in '05, went to Stanford University to get his MS in Electrical Engineering, and then joined the submarine pipeline. After five years of service on the USS Jefferson City, he left the Navy to attend the Stanford Graduate School of Business.

After graduating from Stanford (for the second time), Brad joined AirBnB as one of their first thousand employees. Since then, he has seen the company triple in size, as he serves as a manager on their Trust & Safety team (with over 200 employees).

In this conversation, we cover a lot of topics, including:

  • His decision to leave the Navy, and how he thought about the Reserves
  • How he decided to go back to grad school again
  • Advice on applying to a top tier business school
  • Thoughts about Executive Education programs
  • How he decided to join AirBnB, and how he got his foot in the door
  • What is day-to-day life like at a high-growth internet startup
  • What has been the most surprising aspect of civilian life
  • And much, much more…

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Show Notes

  • [3:03] - Personal, USNA and Navy background
  • [3:35] - Stanford MS experience
  • [4:23] - Decision to transition from the Navy
  • [5:08] - Decision process for not joining the Navy Reserves
  • [5:55] - Deciding to get another degree
  • [7:20] - Choosing Business School over other grad programs
  • [8:23] - Why Stanford & the application process, how to evaluate the value of business school
  • [9:45] - Advice for applying to Stanford (and Business School in general) and what not to do
  • [12:10] - Advice to active duty military thinking of applying to Business School in several years
  • [13:40] - considering Executive Education vs. Full Time grad school
  • [15:08] - Understanding what you're buying with an MBA experience
  • [15:48] - AirBnB description & joining a high-growth startup
  • [17:43] - What day-to-day job looks like
  • [19:13] - Team size and composition
  • [19:48] - Travel
  • [21:10] - Hours
  • [22:29] - Perks & Paternity Leave
  • [25:18] - Vacation
  • [26:29] - Choosing an Industry and deciding on AirBnB
  • [29:03] - Preparing for Interview, and the interview process
  • [31:18] - Deciding on the size of the company
  • [33:08] -  Difference in management in civilian life vs. the military
  • [36:58] - Advice to current college students planning a transition to civilian life
  • [38:23] - Advice to officers thinking of getting out of the military in the next 1-2 years
  • [40:16] - Most surprising aspects of transition from active duty

BTU #3 - Robert Miller: Medical Devices, Operations, and Using a Recruiter

BTU #3 - Robert Miller: Medical Devices, Operations, and Using a Recruiter

Robert Miller - Robert is an Operations Manager in the Medical Device industry at a company called Drummond Scientific. Growing up in Charlotte, North Carolina, Rob enlisted in the US Marine Corps where he served as a technician on the stinger missile systems. After three years, while serving in Iraq he was accepted to the US Naval Academy, and returned back to the Marine Corps after graduating from USNA:

BTU #2 - Jay Border: How to use an Executive MBA to Gain Career Clarity

"A lot of us come out of the military and we've been reassured that our experience in the military is  highly valuable... and I believe that that's true, but I also believe that the transition is not as easy as people want you to believe. It's a lot of work and a full-time job to set yourself up to a successful transition."

– Jay Border

This is a great interview for anyone on Active Duty who is considering going to grad school - Jay does a great job of walking through his decision process amongst grad school programs, and whether to do full-time or part-time, during active duty or after active duty.

Jay Border grew up in South Florida. He had always wanted to be involved in government service, and saw that institutions like the FBI always viewed military service as a plus. That, combined with his love of the water and desire for an academic challenge drew him to the US Naval Academy, where he studied International Relations and National Security. He was selected for Aviation, however was medically disqualified during his pilot training. This lead to a lateral transfer to the Intelligence Community, where he supported Special Operations. While on Active Duty, he completed his Executive MBA (EMBA) at UCLA's Anderson School of Business, and is currently pursuing opportunities in the Private Equity space.

In this conversation, we cover a lot of topics, including:

  • His decision to leave the Navy
  • How an Executive MBA program allowed him to maintain an income and evaluate a career inside and outside of the military
  • Evaluating the financial difference between a private and public university with respect to the GI Bill
  • Advantages that veterans have that they don't often realize as advantages
  • Considering the cost of grad school
  • How to use the GI Bill to make grad school more affordable
  • How to use advisors, mentors, and your network to help narrow your job search and get an edge
  • The value of "closing doors" on career possibilities early
  • How to manage the early stages of a career search as if it were a full time job
  • And much, much more…

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QUESTION OF THE DAY: How can I make these episodes more valuable to active duty military personnel considering transitioning to the civilian world? Please let me know in the comments.

Scroll below for links and show notes…

Selected Links from the Episode

Show Notes

  • [1:28] - Personal background and decision to go to the Naval Academy
  • [2:30] - The Naval Academy, Aviation and the Naval Intelligence Community
  • [4:07] - Deciding to leave the Navy
  • [7:27] - Reasons for choosing to join the Reserves
  • [9:51] - Choosing business school over other graduate school programs
  • [15:25] - Choosing an Executive MBA program over a traditional full-time program
  • [22:45] - How the military got him ahead, and where he needed to catch up to his non-military peers
  • [28:02] - Deciding on UCLA over other MBA programs
  • [33:06] - Advice for how to manage a job search
  • [39:58] - Building an "Advisory Board" to help with your transition
  • [45:30] - Resources active duty military personnel should check out

BTU #1 - Blake Lindsay: Active Duty to Consulting @ McKinsey & Co.

BTU #1 - Blake Lindsay: Active Duty to Consulting @ McKinsey & Co.

Blake Lindsay grew up all over the United States, and knew from an early age that he wanted to go to a service academy. At the Naval Academy, he was the Captain of the Men's Rugby Team while majoring in Ocean Engineering. After graduating from USNA in 2005, Blake joined the Surface Warfare Community and then went through the Nuclear Power pipeline. After Nuclear Power School and Prototype, Blake was stationed in Seattle with the USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74). While on Active Duty, Blake went through Old Dominion University's graduate school, receiving his Master's in Engineering Management shortly after separating from the Navy. Blake's first job out of the military was with McKinsey & Co. in the industry of Management Consulting.

Introducing the Beyond the Uniform Podcast

I wanted to announce a new aspect to my project to help active duty military personnel navigate their transition to a civilian career - audio interviews with veterans sharing information about their industry, how they got started, and advice to other veterans. When I first started this project, my intention was to provide data and insights to help active duty military personnel better understand their civilian career possibilities. My goal was to help them make the decision that was best for them and their family - whether that was to remain in the military, get out, or have more confidence in their transition timing.

As I've connected with more and more veterans, a common thread has emerged - one of the biggest resources during their transition was speaking with veterans who had gone before them. During these conversations, they could have someone explain to them - in terms familiar to those on active duty - the ins and outs of their industry, function, and company. There was also an appeal to having someone with a similar background explain what they liked and disliked about their job, as well as advice on how to navigate their transition.

In order to add a qualitative complement to the data I've started to put together, I wanted to compile a series of 20 different interviews with a range of veterans. I've found each of these interviews enlightening and inspiring, and I hope that you do as well.

My first interview is with Blake Lindsay who, after graduating from the Naval Academy in 2007 and serving as a Surface Warfare Officer, transitioned directly from the Navy to the world of Management Consulting with McKinsey & Co.

In addition to providing a great overview on the Management Consulting industry, Blake also does a great job explaining the pros and cons of pursuing a graduate degree after separation the military. His interview is full of great advice and tactical tips for those considering transitioning from the military to a civilian career.

I've put together Show Notes, which provides an overview of the interview, links to the references Blake mentions, as well as a guide to the different points of time in the interview and what topics we discuss (in case you'd prefer to jump around rather than listen straight through).

You can listen to the interview and view the show notes here.

As always, if you have any feedback, advice, or questions, feel free to leave a comment or contact me any time.

 

US Navy: How duration of military service affects career choices

This is the sixth article in a series of posts to provide Naval Officers with information to aid in their decision making process about a post-military career. You can read more about the purpose of this information or sign-up for updates about additional data to be distribute in the weeks ahead (to include information on the US Army and Air Force). Executive Summary: Aviators have the longest military tenure, with an average of 13.8 years prior to transition to civilian. They are followed by Submariners (11.0 years), Marines (9.9 years) and SWOs (9.3 years) There are extreme differences in the Industry and Geographic Location chosen by Naval Officers based on their number of years of Active Duty military service. The longer a veteran remains in the military, the more likely they are to transition to an industry adjacent to the military, and reside in a geographic area nearby a military base. As an example, those with 20+ years of service are 4.5 more likely to go into the Defense & Space Industry compared to someone with 5 years of service; similarly, after 20+ years of service a veteran is 2.5 more likely to end up in Washington D.C. than someone who serves 5 years of service. This report provides a breakdown of the most common industries, regions, and cities chosen by Naval Officer Veterans based on their years of service on Active Duty.

You can view the complete interactive data visualizations here.

For the sake of simplicity, I grouped all Naval Officers into four different groups:

  1. Short-terms: 5 years or less of service
  2. Midterms: 6-8 years of service
  3. Careers: 9-19 years of service
  4. Retirees: 20+ years of service

Short-terms (5 years or less)

Industry:

Naval Officers who depart the Navy at (or before) their five year point have an advantage compared to other Naval Officers of entering the following industries:

  • Technology (20% of Short-terms): If you get out right at 5 years, you are most likely to go into Technology. You have a slight advantage over the Midterms (5% more likely), but significantly more likely than Careers (25% more likely) and Retirees (77% more likely).
  • Finance (12% of Short-Terms): This make sense, as Finance is a relatively large jump for a veteran. Getting out early seems to provide more time to make this transition. Short-terms are 12% more likely than Midterms, 43% more likely than Careers, and 115% more likely than retirees to enter the world of Finance.
  • Other (10% of Short-Terms): This one was also intuitive - if you're going to branch further away from the military and more standard career paths, you are more likely to do so if you have more time as a civilian. Short-Terms are just slightly more likely than Midterms to go into an "Other" industry (0.2% more likely) and just 8% more likely than Careers, but a full 94% more likely than Retirees.
  • Health Services (6% of Short-Terms): Perhaps driven by the needs for additional schooling, Short-Terms have an advantage in the Health Services industry over those who remain on active duty longer. They are 20% more likely than Midterms, 30% more likely than Careers, and a whopping 202% more likely than Retirees to enter Health Services.
  • Real Estate & Construction (5% of Short-Terms): I'm not sure why this is, but if you are amongst the first to get out of the military, you have a higher probability of getting into Real Estate and Construction. This is barely ahead of the Midterms (1% more likely), but a whole 59% more likely than Careers and 46% more likely than Retirees.

At the same time, if you are amongst the first to get out of the Navy, you have a disadvantage of ending up in the industry of:

  • Government & Law (16% of Short-Terms): Although this is still the second highest grouping for this cohort, you are least likely of all Naval Officers to go into Government & Law if you get out right at the 5 year point. Specifically, you are 7% less likely than the Midterms, 27% less likely than Careers, and 55% less likely than Retirees.
  • Transportation (4% of Short-Terms): If you get out in five years or less, you are the least likely of all Naval Officers to enter the Transportation industry. Specifically, you are 19% less likely than Midterms, and 72% less likely than both Careers and Retirees.

Geography:

Those Naval Officers who get out in five years or less are more likely to end up outside of "Navy Towns", and are most likely of all Naval Officers to end up in:

  • The West (24% of Short-Terms): If you like the West and the West Coast, you're most likely to end up there if you're amongst the first to transition to civilian life. Specifically, you're 14% more likely than Midterms, 12% more likely than Careers, and 22% more likely than Retirees.
  • Outside of US (2.6% of Short-Terms): It also looks like those who get out first are a bit more adventurous when it comes to living locations. They are the most likely of Naval Officers to live outside of the US, a full 21% more likely than Midterms, 3% more likely than Careers, and 8% more likely than Retirees.
  • Top Cities: Short-terms are most likely to end up living in the following areas:
  1. Washington D.C. (9%)
  2. New York (5%)
  3. San Diego (4%)
  4. San Francisco (4%): Short-terms are the most likely to live in San Francisco, 84% more likely than Midterms, 63% more likely than Careers, and 375% more likely than Retirees.
  5. Philadelphia (3%): Short-terms are the most likely to live in Philadelphia, 18% more likely than Midterms, 98% more likely than Careers, and 152% more likely than Retirees.
  6. Seattle (3%): Although not as extreme of a difference, Short-terms are the most likely to live in Seattle; they are 29% more likely than Midterms, 23% more likely than Careers, and 38% more likely than Retirees.
  7. Dallas (3%): Short-terms are the most likely to live in Dallas; 5% more likely than Midterms, 22% more likely than Careers, and 256% more likely than Retirees.
  8. Houston (3%)
  9. Boston (2%)
  10. Baltimore (2%)

Midterms (6 to 8 Years of Service)

Industry:

Naval Officers who depart the Navy after between 6 to 8 Years of Service (Midterms) have an advantage compared to other Naval Officers of entering the following industries:

  • Business (13% of Midterms): This surprised me, as I would have thought that Short-terms would have an advantage in business. However, it turns out that Midterms are are 13% more likely than Short-terms, 28% more likely than Careers, and 48% more likely than Retirees to go into the Business Industry.
  • Manufacturing (5% of Midterms): I'm not sure if this is related to the increased timer in management, or perhaps more functional expertise in engineering, but Midterms have a significant advantage in the Manufacturing industry. Midterms are 46% more likely than Short-terms, 84% more likely than Careers, and 139% more likely than Retirees to enter the Manufacturing industry.
  • Consumer Packaged Goods (3% of Midterms): If you stay in for those one to three extra years, you're more likely to go into the CPG industry. Although you're only 4% more like than Short-terms to go into CPG, you're a full 80% more likely than Careers and 316% more likely than Retirees to enter CPG.

At the same time, if you transition from Active Duty after six to eight years of service, you are at a disadvantage to enter the industry of:

  • Education & Research (4% of Midterms): Midterms are the least likely of all Naval Officers to pursue Education & Research. Specifically, they are 33% less likely than Short-terms,13% less likely than Careers, and 35% less likely than Retirees to enter Education & Research.

Geography:

Those Naval Officers who get out after six to eight years of service are more likely to end up outside of "Navy Towns", and are most likely of all Naval Officers to end up in:

  • The Northeast (18% of Midterms): Those who get out after six to eight years of service dominate the Northeast. Although Midterms are only 8% more likely than Short-terms to end up in the Northeast, they are 31% more likely than Careers and 139% more likely than Retirees to end up in the Northeast.
  • The Midwest (12% of Midterms): Midterms are not too far ahead of Short-terms (5% more likely) and Careers (4% more likely), but significantly more likely than Retirees (83% more likely) to end up in the Midwest.
  • Top Cities: Midterms are most likely to end up living in the following areas:
  1. Washington D.C. (10%)
  2. New York (6%): Midterms are the most likely to end up in New York; 12% more likely than Short-terms, 98% more likely than Careers, and 434% more likely than Retirees.
  3. San Diego (5%)
  4. Dallas (3%): Midterms are the most likely to end up in Dallas; 14% more likely than Short-terms, 20% more likely than Careers, and 38% more likely than Retirees.
  5. Baltimore (3%): Midterms are the most likely to end up in Baltimore; 29% more likely than Short-terms, 1% more likely than Careers, and 35% more likely than Retirees.
  6. Atlanta (3%): Midterms are the most likely to end up in Atlanta; 58% more likely than Short-terms, 29% more likely than Careers, and 210% more likely than Retirees.
  7. Boston (3%): Midterms are the most likely to end up in Boston; 25% more likely than Short-terms, 30% more likely than Careers, and 91% more likely than Retirees.
  8. Houston (3%):
  9. Philadelphia (3%)
  10. Chicago (2%)

Careers (9 to 19 Years of Service)

Industry:

Naval Officers who depart the Navy after between 9 to 19 Years of Service (Careers) do not have a particular industry advantage over Short-terms, Midterms, and Retirees. However, they are more likely than both Short-terms and Midterms to enter into the industries of Government & Law and Transportation.

At the same time, if you transition from Active Duty after 9 to 19 years of service, you are at a disadvantage to enter the industry of:

  • Real Estate & Construction (3% of Careers): Careers are less likely than other year groups to enter Real Estate & Construction. They are 37% less likely than Short-terms, 36% less likely than Midterms, and 8% less likely than Retirees to enter Real Estate & Construction.

Geography:

Nothing stood out for the Geographic preferences of those getting out of the military after 9 to 19 years of service. Their Geographic distribution was consistent with the Navy at large, and did not dominate any geographic area.

  • Top Cities:  are most likely to end up living in the following areas:
  1. Washington D.C. (13%)
  2. San Diego (5%): Careers are the most likely to end up in San Diego; 27% more likely than Short-terms, 7% more likely than Midterms, and 3% more likely than Retirees.
  3. Norfolk (3%)
  4. Baltimore (3%)
  5. New York (3%)
  6. Dallas (3%)
  7. Chicago (2%): Careers are the most likely to end up in Chicago; 21% more likely than Short-terms, 13% more likely than Midterms, and 277% more likely than Retirees.
  8. San Francisco (2%)
  9. Houston (2%)
  10. Atlanta (2%)

Retirees (20+ Years of Service)

Industry:

Naval Officers who depart the Navy after 20 or more Years of Service (Retirees) have an advantage compared to other Naval Officers of entering the following industries:

  • Government & Law (36% of Retirees): This makes sense, but those with the longest amount of service are most likely to remain in Government service. Specifically, Retirees are 124% more likely than Short-terms, 109% more likely than Midterms, and 63% more likely than Careers to enter the industry of Government & Law.
  • Transportation (15% of Retirees): Driven largely by the Airlines & Aviation industries, Retirees are the most likely of all year groups to enter the Transportation industry. Specifically, Retirees are a whopping 256% more likely than Short-terms, 190% more likely than Midterms, and 1% more likely than Careers to enter the Transportation industry.
  • Education & Research (6% of Retirees): Driven mostly by the "Education Management" industry, Retirees are the most likely to go into Education & Research. Retirees are just 3% more likely than Short-terms, but 55% more likely than Midterms and 34% more likely than Careers to enter Education & Research.
  • Arts (4% of Retirees): In one of the most surprising upsets of all times, Retirees are the most likely of all Naval Officers to enter into the Arts industry. I wanted to run around the block screaming "Goooooaaaal!" when I saw this one, picturing all of them Captains and Admirals painting outside after they transition. I think it's awesome. Retirees are 17% more likely than Short-terms, 22% more likely than Midterms, and 30% more likely than Careers to enter into the Arts industry.

At the same time, if you transition from Active Duty after 20+ years of service, you are at a disadvantage of entering quite a few fields. As already alluded to above, you are the least likely of all Naval Officers to enter into Technology, Business, Other, Financial Services, Manufacturing, Health Services, and Consumer Packaged Goods.

Geography:

Those Naval Officers who get out after six to eight years of service are more likely to end up outside of "Navy Towns", and are most likely of all Naval Officers to end up in:

  • The South (63% of Retirees): Those who stay in for 20 or more years of service are the most likely to end up in the South. Retirees are 43% more likely than Short-terms, 36% more likely than Midterms, and 24% more likely than Careers to end up in the South.
  • Top Cities: Retirees are most likely to end up living in the following areas:
  1. Washington D.C. (22%): Retirees are the most likely to end up in D.C.;142% more likely than Short-terms, 122% more likely than Midterms, and 72% more likely than Careers.
  2. Norfolk (6%): Retirees are the most likely to end up in Norfolk; 440% more likely than Short-terms, 465% more likely than Midterms, and 69% more likely than Careers.
  3. San Diego (5%)
  4. Dallas (2%)
  5. Baltimore (2%)
  6. Seattle (2%)
  7. Tampa (2%): Retirees are the most likely to end up in Tampa; 116% more likely than Short-terms, 223% more likely than Midterms, and 246% more likely than Careers.
  8. Virginia Beach (2%): Retirees are the most likely to end up in Virginia Beach; 301% more likely than Short-terms, 950% more likely than Midterms, and 176% more likely than Careers.
  9. Boston (1%)
  10. Annapolis (1%)

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Where do Naval Officer Veterans live after separation from the military?

This is the fifth article in a series of posts to provide Naval Officers with information to aid in their decision making process about a post-military career. You can read more about the purpose of this information or sign-up for updates about additional data to be distribute in the weeks ahead (to include information on the US Army and Air Force). Executive Summary: The vast majority of Naval Officer veterans live in the South (55%), while the West (21%), Northeast (15%) and Midwest (9%) trail distantly behind. The most popular location for Naval Officer veterans is Washington D.C (17%), followed by California (12%), Texas (9%) and New York (5%). Across Warfare Specialities, Aviators are the most likely to live in the South (60% of Aviators), while Marines are the most likely to live in the West (23% of Marines). Submariners are the most likely of all Naval Officers to reside in the Northeast (18% of Submariners), while SWOs are the most likely to live in the Midwest (12% of SWOs). A breakdown of cities and states is provided in the data visualization.

You can view the complete interactive data visualizations here.

Navy-Wide Trends:

The majority of Naval Officer veterans live in the South (55% of Naval Officers), while the West (21%), Northeast (15%) and Midwest (9%) trail distantly behind. Where they live correlated well with the locations of major Naval Bases - California (12% of Naval Officers), Virginia (7%), Florida (5%), Washington (3%), Georgia (3%), North Carolina (3%), South Carolina (2%), and Hawaii (1%). The top non-Navy-base locations turned out to be Texas (9%), Maryland (6%), New York (5%), Pennsylvania (5%), and Massachusetts (3%).

The top 10 most popular locations for Naval Officer veterans are:

  1. Washington D.C. (17% of Naval Officers)
  2. California (12% of Naval Officers)
  3. Texas (9% of Naval Officers)
  4. Virginia (7% of Naval Officers)
  5. Maryland (6% of Naval Officers)
  6. New York (5% of Naval Officers)
  7. Florida (5% of Naval Officers)
  8. Pennsylvania (5% of Naval Officers)
  9. Washington (3% of Naval Officers)
  10. Georgia (3% of Naval Officers)

Warfare Specialty Trends

 

Submarine Officers (Submariners)  Compared to all Naval Officers, Submariners are the more likely to end upin the Northeast (18% of Submariners). Additionally, they are more likely than their counterparts to reside in:

  • Georgia (4% of Submariners): given the Submarine base in Kingsbay, this makes sense.
  • North Carolina (3% of Submariners): given the Marine Corps presence in North Carolina, I was surprised that they did not lead the charge here. However, Submariners beat them out slightly with their presence in North Carolina after separation.

Submariners are the least likely of all Naval Officers to end up in:

  • Washington D.C. (15% of Submariners): although still the biggest location for Submariners, they are 22% less likely than SWOs, 19% less likely than Marines, and 16% less likely than Aviators to end up here.
  • California (9% of Submariners): sadly, Submariners don't end up here as much as other Naval Officers. They are 43% less likely than Marines, 29% less likely than Aviators, and 23% less likely than SWOs to end up in California
  • Texas (7% of Submariners): Texas does not win over the undersea warfare community, with Submariners being 38% less likely than Aviators, 35% less likely than Marines, and 17% less likely than SWOs to reside here.
  • Florida (3% of Submariners): Florida also loses out on the former Nucs. Submariners are 57% less likely than Aviators, 42% less likely than Marines, and 31% less likely than SWOs to end up here.

A full list of cities and states are provided here.

Surface Warfare Officers (SWOs)

Compared to all Naval Officers, SWOs are the more likely to end up in the Midwest (12% of SWOs). Additionally, they are more likely than their counterparts to reside in:

  • Washington D.C. (19% of SWOs): SWOs are most likely to reside in the capital, as they are 28% more likely than Submariners, 8% more likely than Aviators, and 3% more likely than Marines to end up here.
  • Virginia (11% of SWOs): they must love their time stationed in Virginia, because SWOs are 203% more likely than Marines, 63% more likely than Submariners, and 25% more likely than Aviators to end up here after separation from the military.
  • Maryland (8% of SWOs): it's good to be close to Annapolis, and SWOs are 53% more likely than Marines, 40% more likely than Submariners, and 23% more likely than Aviators to end up here after separation.

A full list of cities and states are provided here.

U.S. Marine Corps Officers (Marines)

Compared to all Naval Officers, Marines are the more likely to end up in the West (23% of Marines). Additionally, they are more likely than their counterparts to reside in:

  • California (16% of Marines): Who said Marines were uptight? They are the most likely to end up in California, 77% more likely than Submariners, 36% more likely than SWOs, and 26% more likely than Aviators to end up in California.
  • New York (7% of Marines): Marines break away from the pack, heading to New York after they transition. They are 136% more likely than Aviators, 41% more likely than SWOs, and 9% more likely than Submariners to end up in New York.
  • Maryland (8% of Marines): it's good to be close to Annapolis, and SWOs are 53% more likely than Marines, 40% more likely than Submariners, and 23% more likely than Aviators to end up here after separation.
  • Pennsylvania (6% of Marines): Marines are the most likely to end up in Pennsylvania, a full 56% more likely than Aviators, 41% more likely than SWOs, and 8% more likely than Submariners to end up here.

A full list of cities and states are provided here.

Naval Aviators (Aviators)

Compared to all Naval Officers, Aviators are the most likely to end up in the South (60% of Aviators). Additionally, they are more likely than their counterparts to reside in:

  • Texas (11% of Aviators): Aviators are 62% more likely than Submariners, 34% more likely than SWOs, and 5% more likely than Marines to end up in Texas.
  • Florida (7% of Aviators): Heralding back to their Flight School days, Aviators dominate Florida. They are 134% more likely than Submariners, 61% more likely than SWOs, and 37% more likely than Marines to end up in Florida.
  • Washington (4% of Aviators): Aviators are 147% more likely than Marines, 5% more likely than SWOs and 2% more likely than Submariners to head to Washington when they get out.

A full list of cities and states are provided here.

What size company do Naval Officers veterans join?

This is the fourth article in a series of posts to provide Naval Officers with information to aid in their decision making process about a post-military career. You can read more about the purpose of this information or sign-up for updates about additional data to be distribute in the weeks ahead (to include information on the US Army and Air Force). Executive Summary: Across the board, Naval Officers Veterans have a tendency towards larger companies, with 45% of veterans employed at a company with 10,000 or more employees. The percentages of Naval Officers declines with company size accordingly. Across Warfare Specialties, Aviators are the most likely to be at extremely large companies (weighted heavily by their presence in the Airlines & Aviation Industry). Marines are more likely than their counterparts to end up at a small company (1 to 50 employees), while Submariners are the most likely specialty to be self-employed. SWOs are more likely than others to end up at a medium sized company (501 to 10k employees).

After looking into the industry and functional roles available to transitioning military veterans, I next looked at the size of company they tend to join. Not surprisingly, most Naval Officer veterans join extremely large companies, with 45% of them joining a company with 10,000+ employees.

You can view the complete interactive data visualizations here.

 

Key Takeaways:

I found it most interesting that almost across the board, the smaller the company is, the less likely a Naval Officer Veteran is to join it. That said, comparing each Warfare Specialty to each other, Marines lead the charge in small companies (1 to 50 Employees), while Submariners do their own thing by being self-employed. Aviators flock to the massive companies (10k+ Employees), and SWOs are more likely to join a medium-sized company (501 to 10k Employees).

Navy-Wide Trends:

The full breakdown is:

  1. 10,000+ Employees (45% of Naval Officers)
  2. 1,001 – 5,000 Employees (13% of Naval Officers)
  3. 51 – 200 Employees (9% of Naval Officers)
  4. 11 – 50 Employees (8% of Naval Officers)
  5. 5,001 – 10,000 Employees (7% of Naval Officers)
  6. 201 – 500 Employees (7% of Naval Officers)
  7. 1 to 10 Employees (6% of Naval Officers)
  8. 501 – 1,000 Employees (5% of Naval Officers)
  9. Self-employed (1% of Naval Officers)

I found it more interesting, however, to look at how each branch of the Navy compares to each other in terms of the Size of Company they pursue. As with Industries and functions, I've restricted my analysis to Submarine, Surface Warfare, Marine Corps, and Aviation Officers, as there was insufficient data for other service groups. For additional information about methodology you can read more here.

Warfare Specialty Trends

Submarine Officers (Submariners)  Compared to all Naval Officers, Submariners are the most likely of their peers to join a company that has:

  • 51 – 500 Employees(17% of Submariners): your typical submarine has 130-180 crewmembers, so it’s not surprising that Submariners would be more likely than their peers to seek out organizations with a comparable team size. Submariners are 24% more likely than Aviators, and 7% more likely than both SWOs and Marines to end up in a company of this size.
  • Self-Employed (1% of Submariners): perhaps due to all that time on their own underwater, cut off from the rest of the world, Submariners are the most likely of all Naval Officers to be self-employed. Submariners are 90% more likely than Marines, 21% more likely than Aviators, and 4% more likely than SWOs to be self-employed.

Compared to all Naval Officers, Submariners are the least likely of their peers to join a company that has:

  • 1 to 50 Employees:(12% of Submariners): I actually would have thought that Submariners would be more likely than their peers to seek out smaller companies, but this didn’t prove to be true. Submariners are 27% less likely than Marines,    23% less likely than Aviators, and 5% less likely than SWOs to end up at companies of this size.

Submariners are most likely to end up a company with a size of:

  1. 10k+ Employees (44% of Submariners)
  2. 501 – 10k Employees (27% of Submariners)
  3. 51 – 500 Employees (17% of Submariners)
  4. 1 – 50 Employees (12% of Submariners)
  5. Self-Employed (1% of Submariners)

You can see the complete data for Submarine Officer company sizes here.

Surface Warfare Officers (SWOs) Compared to all Naval Officers, SWOs are the most likely of their peers to join a company that has:

  • 501-10,000 Employees (27% of SWOs): This also seemed intuitive, as many Surface Ships are in the lower end of this range. SWOs are 34% more likely than Aviators, 5% more likely than Marines, and 1% more likely than Submariners to end up in companies of this size.

SWOs are most likely to end up in a company that has a size of:

  1. 10k+ Employees (44% of SWOs)
  2. 501 – 10k Employees (27% of SWOs)
  3. 51 – 500 Employees (16% of SWOs)
  4. 1 – 50 Employees (12% of SWOs)
  5. Self-Employed (1% of SWOs)

You can see the complete data for Surface Warfare Officer company sizes here.

U.S. Marine Corps Officers (Marines) Marines are the most likely of all Naval Officers to choose a company that has a size of:

  • 1 to 50 Employees (16% of Marines): Accustomed to working in smaller, tighter units, it seemed intuitive that Marines would seek out organizations that were smaller and closer in nature. Marines are 37% more likely than Submariners, 31% more likely than SWOs, and 6% more likely than Aviators to seek out companies of this size

Marines are the least likely of all Naval Officers to choose a company that has a size of:

  • 10k+ Employees (42% of Marines): For the same reason, it seems like Marines avoid massive organizations (compared to their peers). Marines are 17% less likely than Aviators, 5% less likely than SWOs, and 4% less likely than Submariners to join a company of this size.
  • Self Employed (0.5% of Marines): I was most surprised by this, as I thought Marines would be the most likely of all Naval Officers to be self-employed. However, it turns out that they’re 47% less likely than Submariners, 45% less likely than SWOs, and 36% less likely than Aviators to be self-employed.

Marines are most likely to end up in a company that has a size of:

  1. 10k+ Employees (42% of Marines)
  2. 501 – 10k Employees (25% of Marines)
  3. 1 – 50 Employees (16% of Marines)
  4. 51 – 500 Employees (16% of Marines)
  5. Self-Employed (0.5% of Marines)

You can see the complete data for Marine Corps Officer functions here.

Naval Aviators (Aviators) Aviators are the most likely of all Naval Officers to join a company that has a size of:

  • 10,000+ Employees (50% of Aviators): I imagine this is mostly driven by their large numbers in the Airlines and Aviation Industry, Aviators are the most likely of all Naval Officers to join a massive company. Aviators are 20% more likely than Marines, 15% more likely than Submariners, and 14% more likely than SWOs to join massive organizations.

Aviators are most likely to end up in a company that has a size of:

  1. 10k+ Employees (50% of Aviators)
  2. 501 – 10k Employees (20% of Aviators)
  3. 1 – 50 Employees (15% of Aviators)
  4. 51 – 500 Employees (14% of Aviators)
  5. Self-Employed (0.8% of Aviators)

You can see the complete data for Naval Aviation Officer size of companies here.

Summary

This was perhaps the least surprising aspect of trends that I looked at, as my starting assumption was that Naval Officers would join larger companies. However, it’s interesting to see the subtle differences between each group. Next, I'll show data for where Naval Officers end up living once they depart from the military.

What Functional Roles do Naval Officers Pursue

This is the third article in a series of posts to provide Naval Officers with information to aid in their decision making process about a post-military career. You can read more about the purpose of this information, as well as what Industries Naval Officers pursue, or sign-up for updates about additional data to be distribute in the weeks ahead (to include information on the US Army and Air Force). Executive Summary: Across the board, Naval Officers flock towards Operations roles, followed distantly by Functional Roles in Engineering, Program & Project Management and Sales. Within Warfare Specialties, Submariners are more likely than other Naval Officers to seek more numeric roles (Engineering, Program & Product Management, Finance, Information Technology, Research), while SWOs are more likely than their counterparts to pursue a wider range of choices ("Other", Sales, Consulting). Marines are the most likely of Naval Officers to pursue Entrepreneurship as a Functional Role, while Naval Aviators are the most likely to pursue Operations or Military & Protective Services.

You can view the complete interactive data visualizations here.

All-Navy Analysis:

Within the various industry options available to transitioning military veterans, there are a range of Functional Roles to serve within civilian careers. Based on a Naval Officers hands-on leadership experience while on Active Duty, it's no wonder that the #1 industry for all Naval Officers is Operations (29% of all Naval Officer veterans). With the Navy's focus on technology, it's also no wonder that the #2 industry is Engineering (11% of all Naval Officers).

The full breakdown of Functional Roles is:

  1. Operations (29% of Naval Officers)
  2. Engineering (11% of Naval Officers)
  3. Program & Project Management (11% of Naval Officers)
  4. Sales (9% of Naval Officers)
  5. Military & Protective Services (7% of Naval Officers)
  6. Information Technology (7% of Naval Officers)
  7. Entrepreneurship (7% of Naval Officers)
  8. Finance (5% of Naval Officers)
  9. Consulting (5% of Naval Officers)
  10. Business Development (4% of Naval Officers)
  11. Education (4% of Naval Officers)
  12. Research (1% of Naval Officers)

I found it more interesting, however, to look at how each branch of the Navy compares to each other in terms of the Functional Roles they pursue. As with Industries, I've restricted my analysis to Submarine, Surface Warfare, Marine Corps, and Aviation Officers, as there was insufficient data for other service groups. For additional information about methodology you can read more here.

You can view the complete interactive data visualizations here.

Submarine Officers (Submariners)  Compared to all Naval Officers, Submariners are the most likely of their peers to take on a Functional Role of:

  • Engineering (13% of Submariners): likely due to their required training in nuclear engineering, Submariners are the most likely of all Naval Officers to take on a Functional Role in Engineering. Submariners are 120% more likely than Aviators, 88% more likely than Marines, and 32% more likely than SWOs to pursue an Engineering role
  • Program & Project Management (11% of Submariners): perhaps due to all the rules and regulations related to nuclear submarines, Submariners are the most likely of all Naval Officers to take on a Functional Role in Program & Project Management. Submariners are 77% more likely than Aviators, 18% more likely than Marines, and 6% more likely than SWOs to take on a Program & Project Management Functional Role.
  • Finance (7% of Submariners): all that number crunching in Nuclear Power School pays; Submariners are most likely of all Naval Officers to pursue a Functional Role in Finance. Submariners are 39% more likely than Marines and 16% more likely than SWOs to focus on Finance. Data was unavailable for Aviators for comparison.
  • Information Technology (7% of Submariners): again likely related to the nuclear training, Submariners are most likely of all Naval Officers to pursue a focus on Information Technology. Submariners are 33% more likely than Aviators, 15% more likely than SWOs, and 13% more likely than Marines to focus on Information Technology.
  • Research (4% of Submariners): Beating a dead horse here... Submariners are nerds; they're most likely of all Naval Officers to pursue a focus on Research. Unfortunately the other groups did not have data not have sufficient data for comparison, but they were less than 4%.

Submariners are most likely to end up in a Functional Role of:

  1. Operations (21% of Submariners)
  2. Engineering (13% of Submariners)
  3. Program & Project Management (11% of Submariners)
  4. Sales (7% of Submariners)
  5. Finance (7% of Submariners)

You can see the complete data for Submarine Officer functions here.

Surface Warfare Officers (SWOs) Compared to all Naval Officers, SWOs are the most likely of their peers to take on a Functional Role of:

  • Other (19% of SWOs): Maybe SWOs are the jack-of-all-trades; they're more likely than any other Naval Officer to have a Functional Role classified as "Other." They're 111% more likely than Aviators, 32% more likely than Submariners, and 6% more likely than Marines to have their Functional Role classified as "Other."
  • Sales (8% of SWOs): SWOs beat out all the other Naval Officers when it comes to sales. They're 20% more likely than Aviators, 16% more likely than Submariners, and 10% more likely than Marines to end up in Sales.
  • Consulting (6% of SWOs): Not too away from Sales is the art of convincing someone to take your advice. SWOs are the most likely of all Naval Officers to take on a Consulting role. They're 17% more likely than Marines, and 1% more likely than Aviators (insufficient data for Submariners)

SWOs are most likely to end up in a Functional Role of:

  1. Operations (18% of SWOs)
  2. Engineering (10% of SWOs)
  3. Program & Project Management (10% of SWOs)
  4. Sales (8% of SWOs)
  5. Finance (6% of SWOs)

You can see the complete data for Surface Warfare Officer functions here.

U.S. Marine Corps Officers (Marines) Marines are the most likely of all Naval Officers to choose a Functional Role that is:

  • Entrepreneurship (6% of Marines): All that critical thinking and leadership come in handy for Marines looking to strike out on their own; of all Naval Officers they are most likely to pursue Entrepreneurship. Marines are 25% more likely than SWOs, 17% more likely than Aviators, and 10% more likely than Submariners to pursue Entrepreneurship.

Marines are most likely to end up in a Functional Role of:

  1. Operations (24% of Marines)
  2. Program & Project Management (9% of Marines)
  3. Sales (8% of Marines)
  4. Engineering (7% of Marines)
  5. Military & Protective Services (7% of Marines)

You can see the complete data for Marine Corps Officer functions here.

Naval Aviators (Aviators) Aviators are the most likely of all Naval Officers to take on a Functional Role of:

  • Operations (36% of Aviators): Aviators dominate the largest category of all Naval Officers - Operations. They are most likely of all Naval Officers to pursue operations, a full 100% more likely than SWOs, 74% more likely than Submariners, and 50% more likely than Marines.
  • Military & Protective Services (8% of Aviators): This one surprised me; I would have thought that the Marines would dominate this field, but it turns out that Aviators are the most likely of all Naval Officers to pursue Military & Protective Services.

Aviators are most likely to end up in a Functional Role of:

  1. Operations (36% of Aviators)
  2. Military & Protective Services (8% of Aviators)
  3. Sales (7% of Aviators)
  4. Engineering (6% of Aviators)
  5. Program & Product Management (6% of Aviators)

You can see the complete data for Naval Aviation Officer functions here.

Summary

While Naval Officer veterans can take on virtually any functional role in the civilian world, I hope these trends are helpful. My intention is to make active duty personnel more aware of the broad spectrum of jobs for which they are extremely well qualified. At the very least, the trends my help spark the career search for active duty personnel who are planning their transition to a civilian career. Next, I'll show data for which Size of Company Naval Officer veterans pursue.

What Industries are Naval Officer Veterans Most Likely to Pursue

This is the second article in a series of posts to provide active duty members of the Armed Forces with information to aid in their decision making process about a post-military career. You can view the first article in this series here, as well as sign-up for updates about additional data to be distribute in the weeks ahead. I've started my analysis with Naval Officers in order to make the analysis simpler, but will expand to additional military branches in future posts. One of the first steps taken in a civilian career is to decide on an industry of focus. These industries range from the most common for Naval Officers – “Defense and Space” (12.8% of all Naval Officer veterans) – to the more outlandish (my hat’s off to the 0.05% who have found their calling in “Arts & Crafts”). While the companies within any industry likely vary significantly, there are broader trends within the industry in terms of skill set required, lifestyle provided, and precedent for veterans within the industry. My focus in this article is to provide information for the latter.

While LinkedIn provides 147 different industry classifications, to simplify my analysis I’ve consolidated this to 12 industries. Within the data visualization, you can expand to see a breakdown of all 147 industries, or simply view the 12 groupings. I looked at trends across all US Naval Officers, as well as specifically for Submarine, Surface Warfare, Marine Corps, and Aviation Officers. Unfortunately, there was insufficient data to provide reliable analysis for other Navy communities (SEALs, Seabees, etc). For additional information about methodology you can read more here.

You can view the complete interactive data visualizations here.

Additionally, I wanted to point out a few trends that I saw while analyzing this data.

All Naval Officers

Industry selection varied noticeably among the different Naval Warfare Specialties (more info below). However, for all Naval Officers these were the most popular industries:

  1. Government & Law (22% of Naval Officers): buoyed heavily by "Defense & Space" as a sub industry, this was the #1 most likely Industry for all Officers except Aviators (who favor the Transportation industry).
  2. Technology (17% of Naval Officers): this was the #2 industry for every service group except for Aviators (theirs was Government & Law).
  3. Business (11% of Naval Officers): this was the #3 industry for SWO and Marines, but #5 for Submarines and a close #4 for Aviators.
  4. Transportation (9%): buoyed heavily by Aviators (their #1 Industry, with 28% of Aviators choosing Transportation).
  5. Financial Services (9%): slightly behind Transportation, Financial Services is actually the #4 Industry for each branch of service, but was slightly behind Transportation on totals due to the spike with Aviators.

Submarine Officers (Submariners)  Compared to all Naval Officers, Submariners are the most likely of their peers to choose careers in the:

  • Technology industry (19% of Submariners): likely due to their required training in nuclear engineering, Submariners are the most likely to find a career within Technology. (See a complete list of Technology industries here). Submariners are 53% more likely than Naval Aviators, and 7.8% more likely than SWO, and 7.1% more likely than Marines to end up in Technology.
  • Other Industry (17% of Submariners): I'm not entirely sure why this is (I guess it may be since most of us Submariners are a little different anyways), but Submariners also dominate the longtail industries that did not fall into more specific categories. (See a complete list of “Other” industries here). Submariners completely dominate this “Other” category, where they are 249% more than Aviators, 234% more than Marines, and 80% more than SWO to find a career here.
  • Education & Research industry (6% of Submariners): also likely to the breadth of their engineering training, Submariners tend to gravitate to educational and research roles. (See a complete list of Education & Research industries here). Submariners are 31% more likely than Aviators, 11% more than Marines, and 8% more than SWO to end up in the Education & Research industry.

Submarine officers are the least likely of all Naval Officers to end up in an industry of:

  • Health Services (4% of Submariners): I actually would have thought that the nuclear engineering training might bias more Submariners to enter the rigorous Health Services industry, but it seems like the opposite is true. Submariners are the least likely to end up as your physician or health services staff. (See a complete list of Health Services industries here). Submariners are 39% less likely than Marines, 14% less than Aviators, and 11% less than SWO to pursue a career in Health Services.
  • Arts (2% of Submariners): perhaps this is a side effect of all that engineering training, but Submariners are the least likely to go into the more creative Arts industry (See a complete list of Arts industries here). Submariners are 39% less than Marines, 26% less than SWO, and 21% less than Aviators to enter into the Arts.
  • Real Estate & Construction (2% of Submariners): all that time underwater may adversely impact the around-the-house handiness of Submariners, as they’re the least likely of all Naval Officers to pursue a career in Real Estate & Construction. (See a complete list of Real Estate & Construction industries here). Submariners are 59% less likely than Marines, 56% less likely than SWO, 44% less likely than Aviators to pursue a career in Real Estate & Construction.

You can see the complete data for Submarine Officer industries here.

Surface Warfare Officers (SWOs) Compared to all Naval Officers, SWOs are the most likely of their peers to choose careers in the:

  • Government & Law (25% of SWOs): Not only are SWOs the most likely of all Naval Officers to enter Government & Law, but it is also the #1 Industry choice for SWO veterans. Looks like all those sea lawyering skills pay off in the civilian sector :) (See a complete list of Health Services industries here). SWOs are 27% more likely than Aviators, 23% more likely than Marines, 6% more likely than Submariners to pursue a career in Financial Services.
  • Financial Services (10% of SWOs): SWOs have a penchant for numbers and money, as they are most likely of all Naval Officers to pursue a career in the Financial Services industries. (See a complete list of Financial Services industries here). SWOs are 28% more likely than Aviators, 18% more likely than Marines, and 9% more likely than Submariners to pursue a career in the Financial Services.
  • Consumer Packaged Goods (CPG) (4% of SWOs): CPG isn’t a popular industry for Naval Officer veterans, but SWOs dominate this field. (See a complete list of CPG industries here). SWOs are 161% more likely than Aviators, 92% more likely than Submariners, and 11% more likely than Marines veterans to pursue a career in CPG.
  • Manufacturing (4% of SWOs): SWOs seem to be the handiest of all Naval Officer veterans, as they are most likely of all Naval Officer veterans to pursue a career in the Manufacturing industry. (See a complete list of Manufacturing industries here). SWOs are 78% more likely than Aviators, 32% more likely than Marines, and 10% more likely than Submariners to pursue a career in Manufacturing.

SWOs are the least likely of all Naval Officers to end up in an industry of:

  • Transportation (3% of SWOs): all that time on ships must kill their desire to do any more transportation, as SWOs are the least likely of all Naval Officers to pursue a career in the Transportation industry. (See a complete list of Transportation industries here). SWOs are 91% less likely than Aviators, 69% less likely than Marines, and 14% less likely than Submariners to pursue a career in Transportation.

You can see the complete data for Surface Warfare Officer industries here.

U.S. Marine Corps Officers (Marines) Marines are the most likely of all Naval Officers to end up in an industry of:

  • Business (14% of Marines): When it comes to wheeling and dealing in the business world, Marines seem to have the easiest time making the transition - Marines are most likely of all Naval Officers to pursue a career in Business.(See a complete list of Health Services industries here). Marines are 73% more likely than Aviators, 49% more likely than Submariners, and 32% more likely than SWOs to pursue a career in Business.
  • Health Services (6% of Marines): Marines seem to take the adage, “Take care of your people” to the next level, as they are the most likely of all Naval Officers to pursue a career in the Health Services industry. (See a complete list of Health Services industries here). Marines are 63% more likely than Submariners, 45% more likely than SWOs, and 40% more likely than Aviators to pursue a career in Health Services.
  • Real Estate and Construction (6%): All that rolling around in the mud and rolling up your sleeves to get your hands dirty pay off for Marines – they are the most likely of all Naval Officers to pursue a career in Real Estate and Construction. (See a complete list of the Real Estate and Construction industries here). Marines are 143% more likely than Submariners, 36% more likely than Aviators, and 7% more likely than SWOs to pursue a career in Real Estate and Construction. 
  • Arts (4% of Marines): this might have been the most surprising trend to me, but it looks like Marines are more likely than any other Naval Officer to pursue a career in the Arts (insert your own favorite Marine Corps hippy reference here). (See a complete list of the Arts industries here). Marines are 63% more likely than Submariners, 28% more likely than Aviators, and 20% more likely than SWOs to pursue a career in the Arts.

You can see the complete data for Marine Corps Officer industries here.

Naval Aviators (Aviators) Aviators are the most likely of all Naval Officers to end up in an industry of:

  • Transportation (28% of Aviators): In the least surprising finding in the entire study, Naval Aviators are the most likely of all Naval Officers to end up in the Transportation industry, which is dominated by Airlines, Aviation and Aerospace.(See a complete list of the Transportation industries here). Aviators are 999% more likely than SWOs, 845% more likely than Submariners, and 240% more likely than Marines to enter the Transportation industry.

Aviators are the least likely of all Naval Officers to end up in an industry of:

  • Technology (12% of Aviators): Although a large swath of aviators enter into technology, they are the least likely of all Naval Officers to do so. Top Gun featured more time in bars and in jets than looking in manuals, so maybe not too surprising.(See a complete list of the Technology industries here). Aviators are 34% less likely than Submariners, 30% less likely than SWOs, and 29% less likely than Marines to enter the Technology industry.
  • Financial Services (8% of Aviators): When you fly billion dollar aircraft for a living, maybe you don't need the high pace lifestyle Financial Services are known for, as Aviators are the least likely of all Naval Officers to enter the Financial Services industry. (See a complete list of the Financial Services industries here). Aviators are 22% less likely than SWOs, 15% less likely than Submariners, and 8% less likely than Marines to enter the Financial Services industry.
  • Business (8% of Aviators): While they may be all business in the air, they're less so on the ground, as Aviators are the least likely of all Naval Officers to pursue a career in Business. (See a complete list of the Business industries here). Aviators are 42% less likely than Marines, 24% less likely than SWOs, and 14% less likely than Submariners to enter the Business industry.
  • Education & Research (4% of Aviators): This may be driven by their longer length of required service, but Aviators are the least likely of all Naval Officers to pursue a career in the Education & Research industry.  (See a complete list of the Education & Research industries here). Aviators are 23% less likely than Submariners, 17% less likely than SWOs, and 15% less likely than Marines to enter the Education & Research industry.
  • Consumer Packaged Goods (CPG) (1% of Aviators): I'm not sure for the reason on this one, but Aviators are the least likely of all Naval Officers to enter the CPG industry. (See a complete list of the CPG industries here). Aviators are 62% less likely than SWOs, 57% less likely than Marines, 27% less likely than Submariners to enter the CPG industry.

You can see the complete data for Naval Aviation Officer industries here.

Summary

While Naval Officer veterans can be found in virtually every civilian industry, I hope these trends are helpful. My intention is to make active duty personnel more aware of the broad spectrum of jobs for which they are extremely well qualified. At the very least, the trends may help spark the career search for active duty personnel who are planning their transition to a civilian career. Next, I'll show data for which Functional Roles Naval Officer veterans pursue within these industries.

 

Beyond the Uniform: What Military Veterans do in their Civilian Career

I was recently at birthday party that had in attendance several (albeit younger and still on active duty) fellow Naval Academy graduates. There I heard a refrain I had long since forgotten: what am I going to do when I get out? It struck me as a reminder of how little visibility active duty military officers have on what career possibilities await them. When I was serving onboard nuclear submarines, I faced a similar challenge. The veil separating me from civilian possibilities was intimidating. When I decided to resign my commission, my thought process was as simple as:

  1. I like managing people
  2. I imagine that if I want to manage people in the civilian sector it will have something to do with business
  3. Therefore, I’ll go to business school

At Stanford, I started to realize just how little I knew about my career possibilities. Veterans are exceptionally well qualified for a broad and diverse set of civilian career options. However, it pains me to see many veterans make a major career decision while not having access to information that might better inform their decision. This includes members of the Armed Forces who:

  • Make a hasty decision to leave the military, only to realize the depth of satisfaction and camaraderie they enjoyed while on active duty and miss as a civilian
  • Remain on active duty out of fear of the unknown
  • Depart from the military and settle in a career not well aligned with their personal interests due to a lack of knowledge of more suitable (though less known) career options

I believe that – while all veterans share a wealth of common experiences and values – we each have different desires, personal goals, and priorities. So, sadly, there is not one universal answer to the complex question of what to do with ones life and career. However, I also believe (as Master Chief Granito was fond of saying at each all-hands meeting on the USS Alaska) that “knowledge is power.” As a result, my intention is to delve into data, insight, and information that I wish I had known at the time of my separation from the military. It is my hope that this knowledge, I can in some way give back to a community that has given me so much.

If this topic resonates with you, I ask that you share this with anyone you believe would benefit from this knowledge. In the following weeks, I’ll be posting on topics including:

  • What Industries are most popular for veterans
  • What Functional Roles are most common for veterans
  • What size companies are most likely to employee veterans
  • What geographic locations are most typical for veterans post separation
  • How time in service affects each of these factors
  • How one’s branch of service affects each of these factors

To be updated as I release more information, you can follow me on LinkedIn, or request updates at http://www.beyondtheuniform.io. Additionally, if you have ideas on what additional information would be valuable to the men and women who serve in our country’s military, please contact me here.

 

Gathering Data for "What careers do US Naval Officers pursue"

For my first data visualization, I wanted to look at the career that Navy veterans pursue post separation. My original intention was to show this for all Navy personnel. However, using LinkedIn's "Advanced Search" capabilities, this proved to be too cumbersome to collect this data set. Additionally, refining the search to all Naval Officers proved too onerous. As a result, I used US Naval Academy graduates as a proxy for all US Naval Officers. The final result of this initial data can be viewed here.

This resulted in data sets for Submarine Officers, Surface Warfare Officers, Naval Aviation Officers, and US Marine Corps Officers. Unfortunately, there was insufficient data to do a similar set of research around SEALs, Supply Corps Officers, Seabees, etc.

I grouped the data around several key areas related to a post-military career.

  1. Industry: I looked at all 147 LinkedIn classified Industries, except for "Military." This was the easiest way to look at Naval Officers on LinkedIn who are no longer on Active Duty. The 147 categories did not provide as much insight, so I created my own subset of categories in order to extract higher-level takeaways. I was unable to find any official guidance on the best way to create these subgroups, but provide an overview of my grouping here.
  2. Function: Fortunately, LinkedIn only provides 12 different categories for Functional Roles. However, LinkedIn only shows the top 10 industries for any designated search. This means that for each service group, there were two industries not shown. For Submarine Officers, this was Consulting and Education. For Surface Warfare Officers, this was Research and Education. For the US Marine Corps, this was Business Development and Research. And for Naval Aviation, this was Finance and Research. In this case, I inserted the data as zero, knowing that the actual percentage is higher than that, but also not in the top 10 Functions for any service group.
  3. Size of Company: This was the simplest to obtain, as LinkedIn only provides 9 categories for Company Size, and provides this data consistently for all service branches. As a result, the data here will be the most accurate to actual LinkedIn data. For my article on LinkedIn, I divided these into just 5 categories to simplify the high-level takeaways. However, I've provided the original data within the chart.
  4. Length of Service: This was the most complicated to extract. In order to estimate the Time in Service for the nearly 5,000 LinkedIn profiles analyzed, I needed to use the third-party service, Amazon's Mechanical Turk (mTurk). I provided spot checks of the data results, but due to limitations in both time and budget, was not able to verify all of their work.

In order to display the data, I used the New York Time's D3 model. Special thanks to Nemil Dalal, who put together the majority of this data, and helped me as I put together the small remainder he did not complete. I also used Upwork in a few locations to help me edit this models and add them to my Wordpress website template.

The next set of data I would like to look at is how Time in Service affects Industry, Functional Role, and Size of Company of veterans. However, I wanted to provide the initial data first in order to see what additional information would be most helpful to active duty military personnel. All feedback and suggestions are welcome here.